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Common Courtesy

Can I please ask people to have a bit of thought. It's happened a few times over the last week or so and it's beginning to annoy me.

If you specifically ask for a set, either in the forum or in someone's box and then find, for whatever reason you won't be accepting it, can you please reject the set and just post a note in the sender's box to say so.

We all screw up. Either being too optimistic about how many tokens we have or just changing our mind. Nobody minds having a set returned and if you post a short note to say "ooops" they mind even less.

Just leaving it sitting there in your box until it times out is irritating, especially for those who are short of stamps.

Leaving it sitting there, despite a request posted in your box for you to return it is very irritating.

Leaving it in your box, despite a request to send it back and acknowledging that you are online by hitting the friend request button makes me come and post blogs like this.

Posted by JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007 in Blab | 32 comments

FallenAngel on Jun 23, 2007

I agree entirely. It's very irritating to say the least when someone's specifically asked for a set, which they then don't accept - this is not just sending deliveries on spec here where stamps do get held hostage, which is fair enough - but when someone's specifically asked you to send them a set. If you're low on stamps, it means having to delay sending other requests if you don't have enough stamps to send the request. Irritating for both the sender and new requester.

As Jaybee says, yes, the unexpected does happen, but when you're clearly online and active, and still the sets of unaccepted, it's just bad manners to not acknowledge you have a temporary problem accepting a set, or simply declining it.

iswm on Jun 23, 2007

point made.. im new around here but still i understand it!

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

New people have an excuse for getting it wrong but some of the ummmm 'culprits' are far from new. Welcome aboard iswm :)

ISWM! With a name like that you should be a pirate!

iswm on Jun 23, 2007

grrr i r pirate now! :P

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

Always need good pirates :)

cdncx on Jun 23, 2007

Isn't hoarding what pirates do ?

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

No we sniping and pillaging me hearty. Hanging onto sets is fine if they're unsolicited and you don't mind having your box full, but requested sets is a different matter.

webmonkey on Jun 23, 2007

Maybe the time-out time is too long?
I have stopped doing trades that are 'user-specific' and just put out a general request, because, quite frankly, I just don't have the time to devote to it. I go to IB at least once a day and click all the yes/no buttons, however, I do enough typing with out having to send everyone a 'thank you anyway' note. Yes, I have deplorable social skills, but there it is. :)
BTW - thank you JBVisions, I have been goofing with Joomla and love it! I am in the process of converting a couple of site over to it - wow, it is a pain, but it will be worth it in the end for my clients. The design flow is different, but I needed a little shake-up. <l>

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

LOL! Deplorable social skills are also fine as long as you hit the NO button :)

Joomla rocks, sort of, when it works.

lparziale on Jun 23, 2007

OK, how bout we simply do the part that really matters, deny the set! So others can keep "playing the game".

JBVisions is an IB Anonymous member and as such may start to shake if all the stamps were just sitting there. Let's try and be kind to the addicted! ;)

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

No she isn't.

marcelofigueroa on Jun 23, 2007

Mmm, the problem feeds itself: You get a request on your box but you have your stamps held by someone that asked you for a set, you keep the request pending with impotence hoping that the person still keeps his tokens, finally you get some stamps back and you send the set; at that time probably the tokens are gone and you get your stamps held again :op

Marcelo.

P.S: How do I say "círculo vicioso" in english?, couldn't find it anywhere.

FallenAngel on Jun 23, 2007

What, not IB Anon, or not addicted? And don't try and deny the second, 'cos we all know you are. ;-)

SuperLlamel on Jun 23, 2007

I think that the time-out is to long. If someone isn't on for a week, they probably don't have any tokens.

Jan on Jun 23, 2007

@ marcelofigueroa who asked "P.S: How do I say "círculo vicioso" in english?, couldn't find it anywhere."

An apt translation would be, "It's a vicious cycle." :) Jan

robbyrice on Jun 23, 2007

@ marcelofigueroa - that would be vicious cycle.

elnitido52 on Jun 23, 2007

I believe the chefs are working on reducing the expiration time from one week to 2 or 3 days................

elnitido52 on Jun 23, 2007

@ marcelofigueroa - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In many parts of economics there is an assumption that a complex system of determinants will tend to lead to a state of equilibrium. When this tendency is absent terms like virtuous circle and vicious circle (or virtuous cycle and vicious cycle) to describe these unstable pattern of events are used. Both circles are complexes of events with no tendency towards equilibrium (at least in the short run). Both systems of events have feedback loops in which each iteration of the cycle reinforces the first (positive feedback). The difference between the two is that a virtuous cycle has favorable results and a vicious cycle has deleterious results. These cycles will continue in the direction of their momentum until an exogenous factor intervenes and stops the cycle. The prefix “hyper” is sometimes used to describe these cycles. The most well known vicious circle is hyperinflation.

dyar on Jun 23, 2007

@elnitido52 where did you hear that. I remember them saying that they liked the 7 days but don't remember any subsequent changes.

7 days is fine if the Stamps are returned promptly on the 8th day but sometimes it is 10 days or more before they are returned. Also, sometimes the emails don't go out until 2 days later so it's really 5 days for the receipent. If everything went out on time 5 days would be better. If someone doesn't respond to an email in 5 days they probably won't in 7 either, because it will be buried further in their email account.

elnitido52 on Jun 23, 2007

Virtous cycles = positve delivery
Vicious cycles = They keep your stamps for one week.

marcelofigueroa on Jun 23, 2007

"Vicious cycle", the little prince repeated, so that he would be sure to remember it :o)

JBVisions on Jun 23, 2007

In the UK it's Vicious Circle

a2 on Jun 23, 2007

Can do! I'm a bit new and still learning the ropes. Thanks for the tip.

JunaD on Jun 28, 2007

My bad. I better reject the 100 or so waiting to time out.
I'm on it.

fuseunderground on Jun 28, 2007

there are 100 sets

JBVisions on Jun 28, 2007

You can't possibly have 100. There aren't that many sets! Methinks you exaggerate just a tad ;)

gswd on Jun 28, 2007

Maybe 100 or so stamps? not sets?

FallenAngel on Jun 28, 2007

Ah, but there are 100 sets now with the lovely new IB Century one out today.

JBVisions on Jun 28, 2007

My dear FA, do concentrate dear or I'll have to nip round your house and give you a good shaking. JunaD already has some sets so can't have 100 waiting.

icbumari on Jul 04, 2007

Agreed! I go to IB soon as I see an email and accept/reject and leave a note. I also only go by the figure of stamps shown on my page at that time =)
BTW I got IB Century the other day and I don't have 100 sets and I only had 88 stamps!? =)
Just shovin' in my 2 cents LOL

icbumari on Jul 04, 2007

BTW....
HAPPY JULY 4th to those who celebrate! I'm in UK but celebrate too as majority of my hubbys family are US =)

debbye on Aug 20, 2007

As a timely addition to "Common Courtesy," it should be said that you don't go into someone else's home and rearrange the furnature.

or … you don't enter someone else's site and hack!